I’m strangely attracted to Die Antwoord. The music is passable but the videos they create are works of art and satirical. Seek out “Hey Fatty Boom Boom.”
(after, watch Die Antwoord Responds To Comments..”)
I think I need to watch that again. Right now all I can do is shake my head and laugh, sort of. It does challenge my views on blackface. I watched the comments vid though. It may not be racist to them but it does walk a fine line. And maybe that’s what they want but to actually stomp on that line instead.
Ah, but they are South African which, I think, may have different views on the subject. I don’t know. I didn’t perceive it as racist as they both go white and black face. Nor do I think there was any offense meant as they didn’t 1) apply the traditional standards of blackface (see Jolsen, Al and Amos & Andy). 2) Didn’t engage in what could be considered ethnic stereotypes. Unless you claim dancing, in which case I will throw down and bust more moves than a white 43 year old man should.
In truth, I think the video is meant to provoke but not blatantly attack anyone (except Lady GG’s artifice, huckster attitudes, and ego).
I had a feeling you would come back with a very thorough argument for it. I did say it challenged my views on blackface. If by non-traditional you mean red lipstick (Yolandi) as opposed to white pancake makeup, red lips were another variation of blackface. It was usually seen in advertisements or cartoons as it would be unnoticeable on film.
So everyone else is simply painted all black… Blackface/minstrel, they’re interchangeable. Just makes me uncomfortable. I would feel the same way if they were black. From what I gather, seems to be some blurred lines as far as the American and South African view of blackface.
Side note: my history teacher would make a lesson out of this. LOL
I’d be reaching to claim dancing as a sterotype. That’s too easy to pick the entire video apart like that. Although they make it quite accessible to such dissection. They probably were trying to challenge the stereotypes. Or maybe they just did it to cause a stink and get more press. It’s one of those depends on your perspective things.
Looks like Gaga is the main target and other US rappers as bits to chomp on. Check the wall they dance in front of. I didn’t notice it before. But like I said, anyone could rip this video to shreds. Like it or not, it makes ya think.
As for your dance moves…Oh you wanna challenge to bust a move? We can take this back to the ’80s…battle it out on some cardboard
I can understand that, then. We’re arguing intention and perception from two different viewpoints (middle aged white guy vs. young black woman). I see the video more as provoking acknowledgement of stereotypes rather than mocking the people that the stereotypes represent. You may not. And if we disagree on that then we just disagree. Hopefully, it doesn’t jaundice our blogfriendship as I really value your input and your work as a creator.
I tend to view things from a null-A (non-Aristotelian logic) since I see reality being subjective to the observer. It forces me to see things in grey rather than is/is not.
You know gonz, I wasn’t sure if you were going to respond to this or not. Like you said, we’re coming at this from two very different perspectives. Although, I’m not sure how old you think I am. I’m only four years younger than you. I know…surprise! Lol
I’m fine with disagreeing. If we can’t engage in an intelligent difference of opinion, why share thoughts in the first place? We did it respectfully so, no harm done. Our blogfriendship is safe Thank you for appreciating my work and my words. The feeling is mutual.
Your viewpoint makes for good conversation don’t ya think?
Null-a viewpoints do make good conversations. They also irritate and annoy some. But then you learn not to engage those who are easily offended. Some of my uber-religious/Republican siblings come quickly to mind.
Also, it’s quite easy to get carried and start really tearing into the person you argue with online. But then I tend to think, what if I run into this person the next day?
I can see how things could have escalated. It’s easy to do when you can’t read tone. The way I see it, if you can’t or wouldn’t want to finish it in real life, don’t start no mess online
Are you saying you were trying to tear into me gonz?
I should have seen this when you posted it. It would have been a great addition to my birthday experiences.
I’m strangely attracted to Die Antwoord. The music is passable but the videos they create are works of art and satirical. Seek out “Hey Fatty Boom Boom.”
(after, watch Die Antwoord Responds To Comments..”)
I think I need to watch that again. Right now all I can do is shake my head and laugh, sort of. It does challenge my views on blackface. I watched the comments vid though. It may not be racist to them but it does walk a fine line. And maybe that’s what they want but to actually stomp on that line instead.
Ah, but they are South African which, I think, may have different views on the subject. I don’t know. I didn’t perceive it as racist as they both go white and black face. Nor do I think there was any offense meant as they didn’t 1) apply the traditional standards of blackface (see Jolsen, Al and Amos & Andy). 2) Didn’t engage in what could be considered ethnic stereotypes. Unless you claim dancing, in which case I will throw down and bust more moves than a white 43 year old man should.
In truth, I think the video is meant to provoke but not blatantly attack anyone (except Lady GG’s artifice, huckster attitudes, and ego).
I had a feeling you would come back with a very thorough argument for it. I did say it challenged my views on blackface. If by non-traditional you mean red lipstick (Yolandi) as opposed to white pancake makeup, red lips were another variation of blackface. It was usually seen in advertisements or cartoons as it would be unnoticeable on film.
So everyone else is simply painted all black… Blackface/minstrel, they’re interchangeable. Just makes me uncomfortable. I would feel the same way if they were black. From what I gather, seems to be some blurred lines as far as the American and South African view of blackface.
Side note: my history teacher would make a lesson out of this. LOL
I’d be reaching to claim dancing as a sterotype. That’s too easy to pick the entire video apart like that. Although they make it quite accessible to such dissection. They probably were trying to challenge the stereotypes. Or maybe they just did it to cause a stink and get more press. It’s one of those depends on your perspective things.
Looks like Gaga is the main target and other US rappers as bits to chomp on. Check the wall they dance in front of. I didn’t notice it before. But like I said, anyone could rip this video to shreds. Like it or not, it makes ya think.
As for your dance moves…Oh you wanna challenge to bust a move? We can take this back to the ’80s…battle it out on some cardboard
I can understand that, then. We’re arguing intention and perception from two different viewpoints (middle aged white guy vs. young black woman). I see the video more as provoking acknowledgement of stereotypes rather than mocking the people that the stereotypes represent. You may not. And if we disagree on that then we just disagree. Hopefully, it doesn’t jaundice our blogfriendship as I really value your input and your work as a creator.
I tend to view things from a null-A (non-Aristotelian logic) since I see reality being subjective to the observer. It forces me to see things in grey rather than is/is not.
You know gonz, I wasn’t sure if you were going to respond to this or not. Like you said, we’re coming at this from two very different perspectives. Although, I’m not sure how old you think I am. I’m only four years younger than you. I know…surprise! Lol
I’m fine with disagreeing. If we can’t engage in an intelligent difference of opinion, why share thoughts in the first place? We did it respectfully so, no harm done. Our blogfriendship is safe
Thank you for appreciating my work and my words. The feeling is mutual.
Your viewpoint makes for good conversation don’t ya think?
Null-a viewpoints do make good conversations. They also irritate and annoy some. But then you learn not to engage those who are easily offended. Some of my uber-religious/Republican siblings come quickly to mind.
Also, it’s quite easy to get carried and start really tearing into the person you argue with online. But then I tend to think, what if I run into this person the next day?
Keeps me balanced.
I can see how things could have escalated. It’s easy to do when you can’t read tone. The way I see it, if you can’t or wouldn’t want to finish it in real life, don’t start no mess online
Are you saying you were trying to tear into me gonz?
Good lord, no. I never tear into beautiful women
Ha ha OK gonz. ‘betta not
I am super weirded/creeped out by the GIF. I cannot look away. HELP.
It’s oddly hypnotic, isn’t it?
Yes, unfortunately.
You’ve been watching it all of this time, haven’t you?
I don’t want to talk about it.
It’s okay, my dear. You are among friends.
Oh yay!!